Until recently, roller derby was widely referred to as an “all-female revival” (see this article from 2008 for example). With the emergence of men’s teams in America and mixed teams in Australia, it’s time to acknowledge that roller derby is not all-female. In fact, men have been reffing and coaching since its early days (even in the images included with the “all-female” article you can see men reffing in the background).
In December, Derby Nerd did two articles on men associated with roller derby – one on Cranky Pants and one on Coach Pauly. Cranky Pants is a male announcer for Toronto Roller Derby while Coach Pauly is the head coach of Team Canada. This got me to thinking about men in my league. Currently, we have a bunch of male refs and one male announcer (who co-announces with a woman). I’m still working out how I feel about say, a male coach, or men taking roles on the board. I decided to mull it over with league referee and friend Bear Grylled. And by “mull it over” I mean interrogate him and publish the responses for your viewing pleasure.
What do you see as men’s role in derby?
I see men’s role in derby as being dictated by the league they join. When I joined our league it was as a skating referee and that’s the end of it. The league is a female bouting league only and that was clearly obvious from day 1. I am not in the field of hitting women, and any physical contact with a woman (other than my wife) is usually a bit uncomfortable for me. If I wanted to ‘hit’ women, I wouldn’t be in the league and I wouldn’t be a referee. If I joined a men’s derby league then that’s another story, in Australia there is a merby league in Melbourne, but Adelaide is a long way from that in my opinion, we have to make the leagues we have here now, work well!
That being said there is a mixed gender league in Adelaide now which actively promotes mixed gender bouting and which obviously would involve contact between a man and a woman. But at the end of the day they are just both skaters with different weaknesses and strengths. A woman is built differently to a man and although a man might (but not in every case) be physically stronger and bigger, a well-placed booty block would floor any burly dude to the floor just as dangerously. We even have a league of underage kids (Lil Adelaide Rollers) where boys jam against girls with no question. But that is clearly defined in the league’s parameters and I presume constitution. As long as it’s clearly defined from the first day there should be no question from a leagues point of view of men in roller derby.
Picture by Mat Walker
Let’s look at the question from a sport point of view. What is men’s role in the sport— my answer… a positive active one! Just like a woman’s role in the sport! If the sport is to grow and succeed it should allow participation from both genders, in fact it should allow participation of all ages and abilities. That being said there is a role for everyone in roller derby. If you can’t skate there is still a role you can play in supporting as an official off skates. A bout, and a league and the sport will not work without the NSOs or refs or derby skaters. Like a beer with no yeast, it just isn’t a beer without it.
My personal opinion is that given merby and derby, I will chose to watch derby every day as women make the sport look less brutal and more graceful and athletic (well in my opinion anyway!).
Do you agree with Bear’s assessment?
Visit us tomorrow when I will ask Bear whether the emergence of “all-male” teams threatens women’s roller derby.
dilettante
December 14, 2011
http://www.rollerderbychronicles.com/ is a really interesting looking documentary about the early early days of derby, with a strong focus on the male leagues/players….
I think Bear raised some really great points (eg booty block power!) but I do disagree re: bruality. Some of those hits/blocks/falls with women look no less brutal than those of men……
Megan
December 14, 2011
i have personally played mixed gender sports in the past, such as netball, martial arts and indoor cricket. based on these experiences i know i would definitely not want to be part of a mixed derby league. Men are physically stronger than women and i know for a fact that this would not go down well in this sport. Some men are aware of their strength and know to go easy and some are not. It would not be worth the risk. I have done martial arts in a mixed environment, including sparring, and some men just do not go easy on you because you are a woman, and it can be quite scary when you realise just how much stronger they are. I think if men played derby, the danger of getting hurt would be too much for me.
alisonwhyte76
December 14, 2011
I totally support men playing derby and think that whilst a lot of men will play in mixed games their true potential as a player doesn’t show until they play in men only games. My personal experience is they hold back because they are aware they could hurt you.
Having the men around in a league also helps with derby drama, men don’t care about the BS. I like men coaching because they have grown up playing sports, being coached and understand levels of respect needed within a team.
All in all we can learn a lot from each other, they teach their sporting skills to us and we teach them to play like girls.
Speaking from the men that I know in derby, they mainly want to play their own games and by rights they should be able to.
Ella Straytor
December 15, 2011
My league is a co-ed league. We have a men’s team, a women’s team, and we can certainly throw together a co-ed team. We also practice together, which includes full on, full hitting scrimmages. From my experience within our league, concerns arise more due to level of experience of skaters than their gender. I’d rather be legally taken out by a large dude who knows what he is doing than have an inexperienced woman plow into me willy-nilly and risk injury.
As for the physical differences between genders, sure, that’s valid. But if you put a 225 lbs female blocker against a 120 lb female jammer.. it’s the same thing. Do we have guys who probably won’t hit as hard as they could? Sure. But we have women who do the same thing. Are men’s bout harder hitting? Probably. But they are (at least our men’s team) starting to move towards cultivating strategy than trying to knock the hell out of the other team.
And if you compare men’s derby with the history of modern women’s derby. At the birth of women’s derby, big, teeth rattling hits were the money shot. Now? The big hits still happen, but a focus is more on strategic hits and even with a strong focus on positional blocking.
I’m a big fan of men’s derby (is it obvious?). Will it ever be as popular as women’s derby? Probably not. But nonetheless, its a growing part of our sport (like juniors) and I can wait to see where it goes! 🙂
DJ Stella (@DJ_StellaNoir)
December 16, 2011
Merby is not a sport. Derby is the sport. No one went to the world cup to see women’s derby, they went to see DERBY. Sexism isn’t cute when done to women, and it’s not cute when it’s done to men.
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EvilEd
December 16, 2011
@Stella. Thanks for that reply. I agree that the use of ‘merby’ is somewhat sexist. I play men’s derby and wish we could lose that nickname, although I’ve heard an even more silly, but sexist nickname, Dangle Derby… which although makes me laugh, really diminishes the sport. I prefer men’s derby, as boring as it may be. 🙂
Megan
December 16, 2011
I agree it is good to have men around to balance out the drama, alisonwhite76. It would be good to have more of them around, I just dont know if I could take a hit from one of them! (Im pretty small though)
Stephanie Maim-Bow Brite Mieras
December 17, 2011
My only concern with male derby is once we get to the internationally recognized stage- like Olympics and beyond. I’m worried that since contact/physical sports have always men male dominated, the world will pay more attention to the men than the women. I want derby to be thought of as a women’s sport, like american football is thought of as a men’s sport- simply because men have all the other hard hitting contact sports already.
I don’t want men out of derby at all- don’t get me wrong- I just don’t ever want to lose that “this is a woman’s sport” kind of feeling to derby. And maybe I’m totally wrong and that will never happen because it started (the revival) as a women’s thing and maybe it will stay that way…
I just would hate for us to work so hard to get recognized and then have men swoop in and take the recognition.
Again- I don’t think men are trying to do that at all. I just….well I guess I just have mixed feelings about it.
Sigh.
Erin
December 19, 2011
Firstly, I agree with Stella. Derby is derby. Male derby is not merby and co ed derby is not cerdy or however ‘someone wants to spell it. Men have played this sport since its inception and I think it’s odd (and sexist) that some women feel they have a right to prevent men from playing if they wish to.
With regards to “hitting” women – it’s not about hitting women. It’s about playing a game which involves blocking members of the opposite team. It is no more about “hitting” than it is in women’s leagues.
Having been involved in a women’s league prior to joining my current league at it’s inception, I can tell you I have received harder hits which have winded me, cracked my back, knocked me to the floor – from the players in the women’s league, which isn’t to say the boys can’t leave a bruise. One of my best came from a ref at my old league during blocking practise, which he joined in on to help with odd numbers.
I believe that everyone has a right to become involved in a sport they admire and that’s why we have choices.
sparky
June 1, 2012
As a derby girl myself i quite enjoy the fact there is a sport where only women compete. .. We use to have softbalk and netball but that has started to be taken over by mens teams….. Derby can have men in the leagues as refs and officals coaches n announcers but leave the bouting to the girls. .. Derby is not just a sport its a show the tight clothes the fishnets the makup…
Graeme
September 3, 2012
@Sparky thats a very shallow view… Derby is a sport for all, to say men can be part of a league as Refs, Officials, Coaches and Announchers wont gain you any friedns of the male type in or out of your league.
I’m a Ref and also a skater who loves to bout when i get the chance. I’m trying to start a Mens League, but the interest from guys is a little slow, but i have nothing but the greatest support from the Womens league who i Ref for. A majority of the league are more then accepting of having Men play Derby, because they want to be better skaters by scrimmaging with guys…
Derby is a Sport, and by saying it’s a show with tight clothes, fishnets and makeup, you’re going to get left behind since the “sport” of Derby is evolving here and it’s all about skaters becoming athletes and legitimising the sport of Derby…. So no makeup, tight clothes or fishnets… They are training several days a week, including x-training and off skates to become better athletes….